Review stats and battle systems basics #113

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kazhnuz · 2022-01-12T11:06:08+01:00

kazhnuz commented

2022-01-12 11:06:08 +01:00

Reconceptualise all that questions in a small description of what are the goals of the battle system (interactions between heroes and badnics inspired by the games)

Stats

Are all the stat usefull, especially the hidden one ?

Accuracy

Should we handle evasion/accuracy that way (no evasion by default, but it's the effect of some statut/special power ?). Which character/ennemy should use evasion ?
Make some special move have no QTE, be stronger but with worse accuracy ?
Make QTE attacks have lower accuracy if the QTE is failed ?

Attck types/elements

Are the different attack and ennemy types good/interesting ?
Is the elemental system usefull, or is he redumbdant with the attack types/elements ? Maybe fuse ennemy types with attacks ?
Review what character have what attacks elements/type

- [ ] Reconceptualise all that questions in a small description of what are the goals of the battle system (interactions between heroes and badnics inspired by the games) **Stats** - [ ] Are all the stat usefull, especially the hidden one ? **Accuracy** - [ ] Should we handle evasion/accuracy that way (no evasion by default, but it's the effect of some statut/special power ?). Which character/ennemy should use evasion ? - [ ] Make some special move have no QTE, be stronger but with worse accuracy ? - [ ] Make QTE attacks have lower accuracy if the QTE is failed ? **Attck types/elements** - [ ] Are the different attack and ennemy types good/interesting ? - [ ] Is the elemental system usefull, or is he redumbdant with the attack types/elements ? Maybe fuse ennemy types with attacks ? - [ ] Review what character have what attacks elements/type

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kazhnuz commented

2022-01-21 14:38:20 +01:00

Handling together status and ennemy type might be usefull ? It would be an alternative to handling together elements and elemental attacks.

kazhnuz commented

2022-09-05 17:22:12 +02:00

Goals

Reuse the strenght of Sonic Chronicles, and make it more Sonic-y and avoid its issues
Fast-paced turn-based battle system when you use QTE to do stylish power moves and where efficiency is rewarded
Simple to understand but with cool stuff to do
- Not too much stats (5 + HP/PP)
- The actions to do are visible from the ennemy
- Contain randomness to some areas
- Chaos/Equipments for passive powers

Some ideas

Simpler and more "Sonic-y" stats
- ATTACK : Basic attack stat, used for nearly everything
- DEFENSE : Basic defense stat, used to resist everything.
- CHAOS/TECHNIC/SPECIAL/POWER : Used for healing, chaos attack (that bypass armor), etc
- SPEED : When the action attack, affect chance of speed
- STYLE/TRICKS/LUCK : Can affect critic (maybe call them "stylish actions" ?) and chances to avoid some secondary effects
Only have ~7 P.O.W. move, each with three level of power
- Maybe later add some cooler animation for later levels, and possibly renames
Add ARMOR/ARMORED status that remove 25% of physical attack, bypassed by "special attacks"
Remove LUCK hidden stats

Some other area to rethink

Rethink hidden stats, to make them more evident.
Brainstorm what every ennemy could/should do (same for bosses), use what's visible on the ennemy (visible elements, effect, etc)
Should we revamp Chronicles "flee" minigame, on some occasions ? Maybe not.

Code aspect

Add internal levels to ennemies (will make it easier to handle difficulty)
Add ennemy inheritance (to make "ennemy types" that'll work similar ways)

**Goals** - Reuse the strenght of Sonic Chronicles, and make it more Sonic-y and avoid its issues - Fast-paced turn-based battle system when you use QTE to do stylish power moves and where efficiency is rewarded - Simple to understand but with cool stuff to do - Not too much stats (5 + HP/PP) - The actions to do are visible from the ennemy - Contain randomness to some areas - Chaos/Equipments for passive powers **Some ideas** - [x] Simpler and more "Sonic-y" stats - ATTACK : Basic attack stat, used for nearly everything - DEFENSE : Basic defense stat, used to resist everything. - CHAOS/TECHNIC/SPECIAL/POWER : Used for healing, chaos attack (that bypass armor), etc - SPEED : When the action attack, affect chance of speed - STYLE/TRICKS/LUCK : Can affect critic (maybe call them "stylish actions" ?) and chances to avoid some secondary effects - [ ] Only have ~7 P.O.W. move, each with three level of power - Maybe later add some cooler animation for later levels, and possibly renames - [ ] Add ARMOR/ARMORED status that remove 25% of physical attack, bypassed by "special attacks" - [x] Remove LUCK hidden stats **Some other area to rethink** - [x] Rethink hidden stats, to make them more evident. - [ ] Brainstorm what every ennemy could/should do (same for bosses), use what's visible on the ennemy (visible elements, effect, etc) - [ ] Should we revamp Chronicles "flee" minigame, on some occasions ? Maybe not. **Code aspect** - [ ] Add internal levels to ennemies (will make it easier to handle difficulty) - [ ] Add ennemy inheritance (to make "ennemy types" that'll work similar ways)

kazhnuz commented

2022-09-09 17:38:30 +02:00

New handling of critical hits, special effect, etc

Remove technic and luck and replace it by a "style" stat (maybe remove critical too ?)
- Style handle critical hit, via comparison between style of heroes vs ennemies that'll affect the randomness of the critical hit.
- Same for avoiding or afflicting a secondary effect.
On top of that, add a bonus according to the current rating of the team (handled via success at QTE)

**New handling of critical hits, special effect, etc** - Remove technic and luck and replace it by a "style" stat (maybe remove critical too ?) - Style handle critical hit, via comparison between style of heroes vs ennemies that'll affect the randomness of the critical hit. - Same for avoiding or afflicting a secondary effect. - On top of that, add a bonus according to the current rating of the team (handled via success at QTE)

kazhnuz commented

2022-09-12 12:26:27 +02:00

List of special effects

Spikes -> Direct attacks cause damage to the attacker
Ground spikes -> Direct ground attacks cause damages to the attacker
Aerial spikes -> Direct aerial attacks cause damages to the attacker
Armor -> +25% resistence to physical (distance+direct) attacks
Strong armor -> +45% resistence to physical (distance+direct) attacks
Aerial -> Physical direct attacks fails
Mirror -> Throw back distance attacks to the attacker ? (Bumper Shields ?)
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Issues

Physical direct attacks have many stuff that can annoy them ?
- But they can be stronger un general ?
- Need more stuff that can avoid distance attacks ?
- Add issues to "special" attacks ?

**List of special effects** - Spikes -> Direct attacks cause damage to the attacker - Ground spikes -> Direct ground attacks cause damages to the attacker - Aerial spikes -> Direct aerial attacks cause damages to the attacker - Armor -> +25% resistence to physical (distance+direct) attacks - Strong armor -> +45% resistence to physical (distance+direct) attacks - Aerial -> Physical direct attacks fails - Mirror -> Throw back distance attacks to the attacker ? (Bumper Shields ?) - ??? - ??? - ??? - ??? - ??? **Issues** - Physical direct attacks have many stuff that can annoy them ? - But they can be stronger un general ? - Need more stuff that can avoid distance attacks ? - Add issues to "special" attacks ?

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2022-09-12 16:55:19 +02:00

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2022-09-12 16:55:24 +02:00

kazhnuz commented

2022-09-26 10:24:38 +02:00

Remove concept of elemental weakness for characters
Distpatch elements on every characters and give them one/more attacks that use the element (at least one neutral, and one with side effect)
Think about the side-effect of each elements

- [ ] Remove concept of elemental weakness for characters - [ ] Distpatch elements on every characters and give them one/more attacks that use the element (at least one neutral, and one with side effect) - [ ] Think about the side-effect of each elements

kazhnuz commented

2023-05-16 09:02:27 +02:00

Possible rework:

Simplification of the cbs (sure)

List and create "common" choregraphies that can be reused
- Make sure that many attacks use them
- Use common QTE in common situation
Rework the list of capacity to handle most commons status afflictions
- Rethink status affliction based on Chronicles'
- Reduce the list
Reduce the number of animation needed
- Create a list based on the competence of Sonic Battle
Add internal levels to ennemies (will make it easier to handle difficulty)
Add ennemy inheritance (to make "ennemy types" that'll work similar ways) ?
Replace a lot of the current system by a "flag" system
- Design the list of flags ("anti-aerial", "special", etc)

Style and efficiency (sure)

Add a "style" variable, based on QTE success
Make randomness help the player more when the style is higher, and add critic attack (called "stylish actions")

New stats/elements/effects (sure)

New set of stats : Attack, Defense, Chaos/Technic/Special/Power, Speed, Tricks
- Tricks amplifies the chance of adding a special affliction (with both items and competences)
Brainstorm what every ennemy could/should do (same for bosses), use what's visible on the ennemy (visible elements, effect, etc)
New set of effects :
- Aerial : Physical direct attack have 50% chance of failing (except via flags "anti-aerial")
- Spikes : Cause damage to attacker
- Aerial Spikes : Cause damage to player if there is the flag "anti-aerial" ? Maybe don't have that concept...
- Armor / Strong Armor : Remove 25%/45% of damage from physical attacks (bypassed by special attacks)
- Mirror : Throw back to attacker distance attacks
Remove concept of elemental weakness for characters
Distpatch elements on every characters and give them one/more attacks that use the element (at least one neutral, and one with side effect)
Think about the side-effect of each elements

Placing and action (not-sure)

Add a simple moving phase before selecting the move
- Make being nearer making attack strongers, but having more chance of being attacked and receive a slight boost of attacks
- Use tile-based placement
- Character still goes back to its initial position after attacks (doesn't change much things)
Use a button based menu but normal boxed menu for skill selection, item selection, etc
Having "collateral damage", tanking a hit for another character, etc. give more style
Add physical interaction inside CBS
- Basic attack touch an ennemy if its in front of target (or in a tile we're traversing)
- Moves can have touch nearby attacks
- Defending character/ennemy can tank an hit for another character/ennemy even if it's not a charge
- Add hazard in some maps
- Traps attack add hazard on a tile
- Add inside choregraphy elements to dictate interactions with an ennemy
Some tile can have hazards/items on them
Having "collateral damage", tanking a hit for another character, etc. give more style
Suffering from environnemental hazard, getting tanked/yeeted by an ennemy, etc. remove style.

Other ideas

Replacing HP by rings (then changing the in-game currency ?) and loosing some rings when attacked, that can be regained with a good press of a button ? Maybe implement that as one of the prototypes

Possible rework: **Simplification of the cbs** (sure) - [ ] List and create "common" choregraphies that can be reused - [ ] Make sure that many attacks use them - [ ] Use common QTE in common situation - [ ] Rework the list of capacity to handle most commons status afflictions - [ ] Rethink status affliction based on Chronicles' - [ ] Reduce the list - [ ] Reduce the number of animation needed - [ ] Create a list based on the competence of Sonic Battle - [ ] Add internal levels to ennemies (will make it easier to handle difficulty) - [ ] Add ennemy inheritance (to make "ennemy types" that'll work similar ways) ? - [ ] Replace a lot of the current system by a "flag" system - [ ] Design the list of flags ("anti-aerial", "special", etc) **Style and efficiency** (sure) - [ ] Add a "style" variable, based on QTE success - [ ] Make randomness help the player more when the style is higher, and add critic attack (called "stylish actions") **New stats/elements/effects** (sure) - [ ] New set of stats : Attack, Defense, Chaos/Technic/Special/Power, Speed, Tricks - [ ] Tricks amplifies the chance of adding a special affliction (with both items and competences) - [ ] Brainstorm what every ennemy could/should do (same for bosses), use what's visible on the ennemy (visible elements, effect, etc) - [ ] New set of effects : - Aerial : Physical direct attack have 50% chance of failing (except via flags "anti-aerial") - Spikes : Cause damage to attacker - Aerial Spikes : Cause damage to player if there is the flag "anti-aerial" ? Maybe don't have that concept... - Armor / Strong Armor : Remove 25%/45% of damage from physical attacks (bypassed by special attacks) - Mirror : Throw back to attacker distance attacks - [ ] Remove concept of elemental weakness for characters - [ ] Distpatch elements on every characters and give them one/more attacks that use the element (at least one neutral, and one with side effect) - [ ] Think about the side-effect of each elements **Placing and action** (not-sure) - [ ] Add a simple moving phase before selecting the move - [ ] Make being nearer making attack strongers, but having more chance of being attacked and receive a slight boost of attacks - [ ] Use tile-based placement - [ ] Character still goes back to its initial position after attacks (doesn't change much things) - [ ] Use a button based menu but normal boxed menu for skill selection, item selection, etc - [ ] Having "collateral damage", tanking a hit for another character, etc. give more style - [ ] Add physical interaction inside CBS - [ ] Basic attack touch an ennemy if its in front of target (or in a tile we're traversing) - [ ] Moves can have touch nearby attacks - [ ] Defending character/ennemy can tank an hit for another character/ennemy even if it's not a charge - [ ] Add hazard in some maps - [ ] Traps attack add hazard on a tile - [ ] Add inside choregraphy elements to dictate interactions with an ennemy - [ ] Some tile can have hazards/items on them - [ ] Having "collateral damage", tanking a hit for another character, etc. give more style - [ ] Suffering from environnemental hazard, getting tanked/yeeted by an ennemy, etc. remove style. Other ideas - [ ] Replacing HP by rings (then changing the in-game currency ?) and loosing some rings when attacked, that can be regained with a good press of a button ? Maybe implement that as one of the prototypes

kazhnuz commented

2023-05-16 09:06:31 +02:00

Divide this issue in several issues

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2023-05-16 10:20:59 +02:00

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